东南亚网友讨论：东南亚最强大的国家是哪个？

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网友：我想这主要取决于你对强大的定义，印度尼西亚人口最多，经济规模最大，是东南亚极具影响力的玩家，新加坡拥有最高的人均收入，在国际金融，航运，制造业和技术领域拥有强大的实力，因此新加坡可以发挥超出自己体量和人口的影响力......

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东南亚最强的是哪个国家，有人说印尼，有人说越南

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Jarrod Brown
I think this largely depends on your definition of “powerful.”
Indonesia has the largest population as well as the largest economy, making it an extremely influential player.
Singapore, with the highest per capita income and strong international financial, shipping, manufacturing, and technology, and therefore exerts influence beyond it size and population. It is also an exporter of defense technology.
Indonesia and Singapore also spend the most on defense.
Thailand is the second largest economy, has an entrenched middle class with strong military ties, and in part because of that, a fairly large defense budget and a very strategic position, sharing borders with the rest of mainland Southeast Asia except Vietnam and Singapore.
我想这主要取决于你对强大的定义
印度尼西亚人口最多，经济规模最大，是东南亚极具影响力的国家
新加坡拥有最高的人均收入，在国际金融，航运，制造业和技术领域拥有强大的实力，因此新加坡可以发挥超出自己体量和人口的影响力。同时新加坡还是国防技术的出口国。
在国防领域投入最多的国家是印度尼西亚和新加坡
泰国是东南亚第二大经济体，拥有与军方有很多联系的稳固的中产阶级，在一定程度上也正因为如此，泰国拥有相当庞大的国防预算和非常具有战略意义的地位，与除越南和新加坡以外的东南亚其他国家接壤。

Vietnam has been steadily increasing its defense spending since it came into conflict regarding the South China Sea with China, and is very influential in both Laos and Cambodia, its next door neighbors, overshadowing Thailand despite the close cultural ties. I would not say it is the most powerful, but its star is rising.
自从越南与中国在南海问题上发生冲突以来，越南的国防开支一直在稳步增加。越南在邻国老挝和柬埔寨都有很大影响力，尽管泰国与这两国在文化上关系密切，但越南对两国的影响力还是超过了泰国。我不是说越南是东南亚最强的，但它正在冉冉升起
So, that means that Malaysia, Brunei, East Timor, the Philippines, and Burma (Myanmar) probably are not the most powerful. Malaysia could have been a contender, but mismanagement under Najib has seriously undermined its position in Southeast Asia and globally. The Philippines has a strong economy and military, but have been unable to deal with domestic issues, let alone project power into the South China Sea unlike both Indonesia and Vietnam.
因此，或许这意味着马来西亚，文莱，东帝汶，菲律宾和缅甸不是最强大的。马来西亚本可以成为有力的竞争者，但在纳吉布的领导下，对国家的管理不善严重削弱了它在东南亚和全球的地位。菲律宾拥有强大的经济和军队，但菲律宾连自己的国内事务都处理不好，更不用说像印尼和越南那样将力量投送到南海。

David Nivala
Southeast Asia, includes the sovereign countries of Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, East Timor, Brunei, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar (Burma), Thailand, and Vietnam. Approx. 10% of the world’s population is in this region.
Of these, Indonesia is the largest in land mass (1.9, million square km) and population (250 million) and Singapore is the smallest land mass (724 square km) with a population of 5.5 million.
Indonesia has the highest GDP ($1.2 Trillion), Thailand has the second highest GDP ($0.4 Trillion), while East Timor has the lowest GDP ($0.004 Trillion)
Singapore is the wealthiest ($52,000 per capita GDP), Brunei is the second wealthiest ($37,000 per capita GDP) and Myanmar the poorest ($964 per capita GDP).
As far as military strength, Indonesia is ranked highest followed by Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, then Malaysia.
Hence, overall Indonesia is possibly the strongest, based on economic and military strength.
东南亚主权国家包括马来西亚，新加坡，菲律宾，东帝汶，文莱，柬埔寨，老挝，缅甸，泰国和越南。这个地区大约拥有全球10%的人口。
这些国家中，印度尼西亚体量最大，领土面积190万平方公里，人口2.5亿，新加坡体量最小，领土面积724平方公里，人口550万。
印度尼西亚是东南亚最大的经济体（1.2万亿美元），泰国紧随其后（4000亿美元），东帝汶经济规模最小（40亿美元）。
新加坡最为富裕（人均GDP52000美元），文莱排第二（人均GDP37000美元），缅甸最穷（人均GDP964美元）。
至于军事实力，印度尼西亚排名第一，紧随其后的分别是泰国，越南，新加坡和马来西亚
因此，根据经济和军事实力来看，整体上印尼是最强的。

Yu Cheng,
Vietnam, period. 3 of the P5 have tried their luck in Vietnam. Name another country in SEA that can do this.
US: They won the Vietnam War against the US.
China: They also fought with the Chinese. China made a quick invasion and kept the conflict at the border without launching any further full-scale invasions, because Vietnam is not a weak enemy. Vietnam actually occupies a lot of islands in the South China Sea, in the face of China.
France: If we count the First Indochina War - Wikipedia, France also tried its luck in Vietnam.
Singapore has purchased fancy US weapons. But, Vietnam actually won a war against the US, a real war. Respect cannot be purchased, you know.
越南，与五常中的三个交过手。东盟中还有哪个国家可以做到
美国：他们在越南战争中打败了美国
中国：越南也和中国发生过战争。...在边境爆发冲突，但由于越南拥有强大的军队，中国并没有进一步发动全面战争。在面对中国时，越南还实际控制了南海的众多岛屿。
法国：如果算上第一次印度支那战争，那么法国也在越南碰过运气。
新加坡购买先进的美国武器，但越南在一场真正的战争地打败了美国。你要知道，尊重是买不来的。

Sogesu Tran
In terms of military, Vietnam is the strongest.
Strength made by military tradition, war experiences, spirit of people and culture in the country not by wealth, or essentially number of weapon. You can buy modern weapons and getting richer but you cant buy tradition and experience and long respect. You may be drop weapons and routed when hearing gun fires or explosion because of low fighting moral and bunch of populous cowards. Viet is not like that. They always resiliently fight back. Vietnam is some thing like Prussia in Europe date back in 13th-19th century. Small but tough.
在军事方面，越南是最强的
军事实力是依靠军队传统，战争经验，人民精神和国家文化造就的，而不是靠财富和武器数量。你可以买到现代武器，可以让国家变富，但你买不到传统，经验和长久以来的尊重。当你听到枪声或爆炸声时，你可能会因为低下的士兵道德和一群懦夫而丢掉武器而被击溃。越南不是这样的国家，他们总会顽强地反击。
越南就像13到19世纪的欧洲普鲁士，国家虽小但很顽强

Roy Yu
It depends on what you mean by being the most powerful.
Overall Indonesia is the most powerful and influential in the region due to its large population and area. Indonesia also has the largest economy and a member of G20.
这要取决于你对最强大国家的定义是什么
整体上来说，由于庞大的人口规模和领土面积，印度尼西亚是东南亚最强大和最有影响力的。而且它还是东南亚最大的经济体，还是G20成员国。
Indonesian military is ranked as the 14th strongest in the world. A war among ASEAN countries will be a very unlikely scenario. Should there be a war, I think Singapore and Malaysia will prevail. Both countries are members of The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) which are a series of defence relationships established by a series of multi-lateral agreements between the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore (all Commonwealth members) signed in 1971, whereby the five powers are to consult each other "immediately" in the event or threat of an armed attack on Malaysia or Singapore for the purpose of deciding what measures should be taken jointly or separately in response.
Rather than determining who is the most powerful, I would prefer ASEAN countries to prosper as a whole. We are all brothers and sisters with the same heart and soul.
印度尼西亚的军事实力全球排名第14。东盟国家之间不太可能爆发战争，如果爆发战争，我认为新加坡和马来西亚会获胜。新马是五国联防组织成员国，该组织是1971年英国，澳大利亚，新西兰，新加坡和马来西亚通过签署一系列多边协议建立起来的防卫关系。因此在新加坡和马来西亚遭到武装攻击时，五国会立即磋商决定共同或单独进行应对。
我更希望东盟国家作为一个整体繁荣起来，而不是判定谁最强大。我们都是心心相印的兄弟姐妹。

M Fawwaz Mayda
Overall, which is the strongest country in Southeast Asia?
For simple i will say its Indonesia
Why???
First thing first, Indonesia wins in term of population that can be translated as available man power. This result in the combat superiority as well as others supporting factors.
总体而言，东南亚最强的是哪个国家？
简单点说，我认为是印度尼西亚
原因？
首先，印尼在人口方面胜出，人口可以转化为可用的人力。这给印度尼西亚带来了战争优势和其他方面的有利因素。
Second, Indonesia has powerful troops to be deployed in the battlefield. Kopassus that ranked third best special forces in the world.
Third, The defence industry of Indonesia is quite capable of making such of tanks,gun,artilery weapons,missile,and even aircraft. In addition Indonesia is the only country that making its own fighter jet in South East Asia(collaboration with Korea).
Fourth, this point is a bit pointless. Indonesia by far has most advanced Nuclear program in South East Asia. This can be mean Indonesia can develop such a powerful Nuclear weapon in future.
Also rank form Global Firepower 2016 ranked Indonesia first in South East Asia region.
第二，印尼有强大的军队可以部署在战场上。印尼国家精英特种部队在世界特种部队中排名第三。
第三，印尼的国防工业可以制造坦克，枪支，炮兵武器，导弹甚至是战机。而且印尼是东南亚唯一一个自己制造战斗机的国家（也韩国合作生产）。
第四，这一点或许没有什么意义。印尼拥有目前为止东南亚最先进的核开发计划。这意味着未来印尼可以研发出强大的核武器。
而且根据2016全球火力排行，印尼在东南亚排名第一。