• 12月21日 星期六

「美国网帖」外国人会在中国大街上遭遇不安全状况吗?

Will a foreigner get shot on the street in China?

外国人会在中国大街上遭遇不安全状况吗?

「美国网帖」外国人会在中国大街上遭遇不安全状况吗?

评论翻译:

回答一:

Mo Chen, lives in China (1989-present)

People’s Republic of China Gun Management Law - 2015 edition Digest.

Who are allowed to own firearms under Chinese law as civillians?

Chapter Two - Section 6:

The below social units are allowed to own guns as civilians:

Athletic Units specialized in competitive shooting, or business units for recreational shooting, under at least provincial government permit.

Hunting grounds, under at least provincial government permit.

Units dealing with wild animal protection, herding, curation, research.

Traditional hunters, herders with hunting / herding disticts, which are planned by provincial government permit.

《中华人民共和国枪支管理法》——2015版摘录

根据中国法律,作为公民谁可以拥有枪支?

第2章第6节:

下面的社会单位的成员可以以公民身份拥有枪支:

至少获得省级政府的许可的专门从事竞技射击的运动单位或开展娱乐射击业务的商业单位。

至少获得省级政府许可的狩猎场。

负责野生动物保护、蓄养、管理、研究的单位。

传统的猎人,拥有由省级政府许可规划的狩猎区或放牧区的牧民。

Chapter Four - Section 26:

When the individual or unit fails to comply to this law, and deemed unfit to carry, the permit will be revoked, and firearm confiscated.

Here is the most fun part: Chinese law’s definition on what is a firearm.

According to the 2001 edition of Chinese Police Bureau Policies Regarding Firearm and Ammunition Management:

A firearm is anything that uses gunpowder or compressed air, etc. as its popeller, and a tube-shaped object to project a metalic bullet or anything else, and is powerful enough to immoblize, injure, or even kill another person.

Anything with a muzzle kinetic energy of over 2 jouls are powerful enough to be classified as a “firearm”.

2 jouls.

2!

第4章第26节:

当个人或单位不遵守本法规规定,被认为不适合携带枪支时,许可证将被吊销,并没收枪支。

下面则是最有趣的一部分:中国法律对于何为枪支的定义。

根据2001年版的《中国警察厅关于枪支和弹药管理的政策规定》的描述:

枪支指的是所有使用火药或压缩空气作为助推手段来投射金属子弹或其他任何东西、威力足够强大,可以对人造成伤害,甚至致死的管型器具。

任何枪口动能超过2焦耳的器具都可以被归类为“枪支”。

2焦耳。

仅仅2焦耳!

The potato gun the American kids (and some adults) enjoyed playing with, are Weapons of Mass Destruction in China.

So, back to your question: will you be shot on the street as a foreigner in China?

Unless you think 2 jouls muzzle kinetic energy gun can post a serious threat, then no, the chance is nearly zero.

If you had broken law, and did something extremely dangerous, that it can be seen as an act of terrorism, you might get shot in China in open streets, like, very repeatedly. Our police do not negotiate or threat when it comes to using violence against terrorists.

美国孩子(和一些成年人)喜欢玩的土豆枪在中国就算是大规模杀伤性武器了。

所以,回到你的问题:你身为外国人会在中国的大街上被枪杀吗?

除非你认为2焦耳的动能枪能构成严重的威胁,否则,机会几乎为零。

如果你违反了法律,做了一件极其危险的事情,它可以被看作是恐怖主义的行为,你可能会在中国的大街上被枪杀,就像我们的警察在对付恐怖分子时不会进行谈判或做出威胁,而是直接使用暴力制服他们。

回答二:

Damien Defranco, Serial En trepreneur, Venture Capitalist, Consultant Mentor

99.9999999%of foreigners will never get shot on the streets in China.

China is an extremely safe coun try. More so if you stick to the tourist areas. However, just like any country, there is both good and bad. The worst thing that II happen to any foreigner tourist is knife-point robbery, and thatis slim as it is, and you' d probably not get stabbed.

China is a very large country, and gover nment t control everything. They have veryvery tight gunlaws. But not perfect.

People that do own guns illeg ally in China are few, and isolated. They are mostly org anizational Not random. They will never shoot anyone without cause, least of all anyone who would bring government attention.

China like any other country has crime, it has corruption. Espec ally in hig her end business dealings.

During my many years in and out of China, I ve only ever needed private security a few times for certain business deals being done that I was involved in. Some areas in China can be very politi cal and territorial.

99.999999%的外国人永远不会在中国的大街上遭到枪击。

中国是一个非常安全的国家。如果你一直呆在旅游区的话,就更加安全了。然而,就像任何一个国家一样,它既有好的一面,也有坏的一面。对任何一个外国游客来说,(在中国能碰到的)最糟糕的事情就是持刀抢劫了,而且碰到这种事的几率也是很渺茫的,你很可能根本不会被刀捅伤。

中国是一个非常大的国家,政府没法控制一切。他们有非常严格的控枪法律。但它并不是完美的。

在中国,非法持有枪支的人很少,而且都是孤立事件。他们大多都是有组织的,而不是随便哪只猫猫狗狗。他们永远不会无缘无故地射杀谁,至少是所有那些能引起政府注意的人。

中国和其他国家一样都有犯罪,都有腐败。尤其是在更高层和商业交易中。

在我在中国的这么多年里,我只有几次需要过私人保安,因为当时我参与了ー些商业交易。中国的一些地区可能非常具有政治色彩和地方色彩的。

There are a few different types of private security in China.

Smaller official registered security businesses. Often regular employees who are trained. Depending on licenses, they may or may not be allowed to carry weapons. This would be lower level security.

Larger official registered advanced special security. Often these are ex-military. Well trained. They’ll carry guns and are used by government as private security, and very rich individuals.

Then you have private sector security, not official. Often these will be ex-military from other countries, but mostly triads.

China has it’s fair share of gang and organization issues. You’ll almost rarely hear about as they don’t like to get public involved. It’s quite a private ordeal. There are triads in China. There are even Japanese Yakuza factions in China.

A large amount of the power struggle in politics and higher end business in China Mainland and Hong Kong is often involved with underground organizations, such as triads.

I’ve been to meetings in China where I’ve been patted down multiples times by armed security before meeting with the big bosses. I’ve been to meetings where we’ve been generally shot at. So getting shot as a foreigner is plausible, but extremely rare to happen in China. It depends on what you are involved in. And the average foreigner going to China, isn’t going to be on that side of the life.

在中国,有几种不同类型的私人保安。

规模较小的官方注册安保企业。其成员通常是受过培训的普通人。根据所获得许可证的不同,他们可能可以也可能不可以携带武器。这些是较低层次的安保力量。

规模较大的官方注册高级特别安保企业。其成员通常都是退伍老兵,训练有素。他们可以携带枪支,被政府和超级富豪当作私人安保力量使用。

然后是私人——而不是官方的——的安保力量。通常其中的成员都是来自其他国家的退伍军人,但他们主要是三合会的成员。

中国有着很大的帮派和组织问题。你几乎不会听到他们不喜欢参加公共活动的说法。这对个人隐私而言是相当大的挑战。中国有三合会。在中国甚至还有日本黑帮组织的分支组织。

在中国大陆和香港,政治上的权力斗争和更高端的生意在很大程度上都与黑社会组织有关,比如三合会。

我参加过中国的会议,在会见大老板之前,我曾多次被武装保安人员搜身。我也曾参加过一些通常会发生枪击事件的集会。因此,作为一个外国人被枪杀是有可能的,但这种事情在中国却极其罕见。这取决于你所涉入的事情。前往中国的普通外国人都不会经历这种生活。

If any foreigner is going to get shot at, it’ll have the highest chances being shot at from China’s army. And that would be 100% your fault.

Money in China is very sought out. Banks always use armed security to empty/fill the vaults.

Often times (depends on the amount of money), it’s 2–3 armored trucks doing the pick up. And anywhere from 15–20 or more heavily armed security personal in army uniforms that protects the bank, trucks and money transport for each stop.

Typically how it works is that when the bank has closed down, the security truck convoy will roll up, and about 2/3 of the government army staff assigned there will stay outside and form a half-moon formation at the entrance of the bank, facing outwards. They’ll be all carrying assault rifles, and shotguns, weapons will be out.

如果有外国人被射杀,那么最有可能是被中国军队射杀的。那百分百是你自己的错。

在中国,有钱能使鬼推磨。银行总是要使用武装保安力量来搬运金库中的钞票。

通常情况下(取决于钞票的数量),会有2到3辆装甲卡车负责转运钞票。每一个地方都有15到20个全副武装、穿着军装的保安人员,保护着银行、卡车和金钱运输的安全。

通常情况下,当银行关门时,负责安保的卡车车队就会出现,大约有三分之二的政府士兵将留在外面,在银行入口处形成一个向外的半月形编队。他们都配备了突击步枪和猎枪,子弹已经上膛。

回答三:

Chris Dai, Born and lived in China for 27 years, been abroad several times, prefer China

The odds will be less than winning a RMB 5 million lottery

China is a country with strict gun con trol policy, even some emulaton al guns, which can cause serious damage to people, are not allowed. Cases rel ated to gun will be top priority of local police, and itis required to be solved at all cost. Even the gangsters in China would avoid to be involved in to gun violence,the big bosses of them may have guns, but not likely to use it. The group that have most illegal guns should be those big drug dealers who travels between borders. So you do not need to worry ab out the gun crime at all. The most danger ous cases you will face would be pocket picking in China.

碰到这种事的几率甚至要比中500万人民币的彩票还要小。

中国是一个有着严格枪支管制政策的国家,甚至一些可以对人造成严重伤害的仿真枪也是不允许持有和流通的。与枪支有关的案件将是各地警察的首要任务,而且必须不惜一切代价加以解決。即使是中国的黑帮分子也会避免卷入枪支暴力。他们的大老板可能会持有枪,但不太可能使用枪支。拥有最多非法枪支的组织应该是那些在边境地区肆虐的大毒枭。所以你根本不需要担心枪支犯罪。你将要面临的最危险的情况就是中国的小偷。

回答四:

Yugan Talovich, Live in Taiwan, study Chinese lit and history.

What a strange question. You may think that China is as uncivilized as the United States, with benighted people practicing “open carry,” toting their guns along to such dangerous places as supermarkets or barbecues. But no, China has good gun control, so you are safe from guns. You may get hit by a car if you aren’t nimble when you cross a street, but you won’t get shot.

Taiwan also has strict gun control, so only criminals have guns. Because of the penalties for illegal firearms, criminals only shoot other criminals, so it works out pretty well. Even that is very rare. I cannot think of a single place in Taiwan that you would be in danger of getting hassled, day or night, unless you were going out of your way to make trouble. Again, keep your eyes peeled as you cross the street.

Human lives are valued more than gun company profits. This is why the chances of your getting shot are far less than your chances of having a vending machine fall and crush you.

I’m kind of curious why you asked this odd question.

这是一个奇怪的问题。你可能会认为中国和美国一样不文明,都有着“公开持枪”——带着他们的枪来到超市或户外烧烤区等危险区的愚昧民众。但是,不是这样的,中国有着很好的枪支管制,所以你不会受到枪支的威胁。如果你在过马路时不够敏捷,你可能会被车撞到,但你不会被枪支击中。

台湾地区也有严格的枪支管制,所以只有罪犯才会有枪。而且由于对非法枪支的处罚,犯罪分子只会射杀其他罪犯,所以效果很好。即使这种情况也是很罕见的。我想不出在台湾有一个地方,你会在白天或晚上有被骚扰的危险,除非你是自己要去制造麻烦。再一次强调,当你过马路时,请睁大眼睛。

人命比枪支公司的利润更有价值。这就是为什么你遭到枪击的几率要远远低于自动售货机倒下来砸到你的几率。

我很好奇你为什么要问这种奇怪的问题。

回答五:

Randy Quimpo

The question is about a foreigner getting shot. Am almost sure the “foreigner” in question is a guail0 - fair skinned westerner. In all likelihood you wont get shot. But if this is about getting scammed, cheated, robbed - thats another thing altogether and yes you can expect people to try so better be street smart. But then again that happens everywhere, right?

I’m a Filipino, worked in Southern China for some time and go there about once a year now for some projects.

问题是关于外国人是否会遭遇枪击的问题。几乎可以肯定的是,这个“外国人”是一个肤色白皙的西方人。那么你很有可能不会遭遇枪击。但如果和被欺诈、被骗、被抢劫等有关——那就是另一回事了,是的,你可以期待人们更努力地知道在城市生活该怎么处置一些事情。但这种情况在任何地方都会发生,对吧?

我是菲律宾人,我在中国南方工作了一段时间,现在每年都要去那里完成一些项目。

Ian Montgomery

I lived in China from may2004 until dec 2008 and I felt safe nearly the entire time. The one time I felt unsafe was in a disco where I saw cocain on a table. I left. I felt more uneasy when I returned to Australia but still not overly concerned for my safety.

从2004年5月到2008年12月,我一直住在中国,在几乎整段时间里,我都感到很安全。但有一次我感到不安全,那是在一个迪斯科舞厅里,我在一张桌子上看到了可卡因。当时我离开了。当我回到澳大利亚时,我感到更加不安,但仍然没有过分担心过我的安全。

Tina Munro

I have been living in China for a year and have travelled to various cities, large and small. I have never felt so safe. People identify us immediately as foreigners and help us when we look lost and confused. In many places, there is no English, but with gestures and some broken mandarin, and even walking me to my destinationI have received direction and assistance. China is safe and friendly. Your smile will go a long way.

我在中国已经住了一年,去过很多大大小小的城市。我从来没有这么安全过。当我们看起来迷失和困惑时,人们会立刻认出我们是外国人,帮助我们。在许多地方,他们不会讲英语,但却用手势和蹩脚的普通话跟我沟通,甚至带着我到我的目的地去,我已经获得了方向和帮助。中国是安全、友好的。你的微笑会伴你同行。

You do have to watch out for random violence in bar areas, or anywhere groups of insecure young men are drinking, rich or poor. It can escalate easily. Sexual assault is often a potential issue for women, with white women being prominent victims, the more so because it’s not openly addressed. But in the end, actual danger is fairly rare, you just have to be wary because it can be extremely sudden and random, and it’s easy to let your guard down because criminal assault does seem quite rare, and news of it isn’t usually publicly reported unless/until it goes viral on social media.

你必须注意到,在酒吧区,或者在任何一群不安全的年轻男子喝酒——不管贫富——的情况下,都会发生暴力事件。情况可以轻易升级。性侵犯通常是女性所面临的潜在问题,白人女性是重要的受害者,如果衣着暴露的话更是如此。但最终而言,实际发生危险的状况却是相当罕见的,你只需要保持警惕,因为它可能是非常突然和随机发生的,但它也很容易让你放松警惕,因为犯罪式的攻击看起来是非常罕见的,而且有关它的新闻也不会被公开报道,除非或直到它已经在社交媒体上疯狂地传播开来了。

Ultimately, I left partly because I was tired of feeling like I was living on sand—everything I did was always somehow slightly illegal and always complicated, just swimming through an ocean of vagaries and subjectivity and hoping you don’t get caught in some spiral of bullshit. I spent a lot of time walking the streets late at night, and rarely if ever was there a sense of physical danger—but rarely a sense of security, either, in an emotional or economic sense, even in the richest areas. Hopefully some day China will get out of its Kafka-does-Glengarry Glen Ross phase, but it won’t be soon.

最终,我离开的部分原因是我厌倦了自己生活在沙滩上的感觉——我所做的一切都是有点不合法,而且总是很复杂,只是在变幻莫测的海洋中畅游,希望你不会陷入某种无意义的循环中。我花了很多时间在深夜的街道上行走,很少感觉到身体上的危险——但在情感或经济方面上,即使是在最富裕的地区,我也很少有安全感。希望有一天,中国能摆脱它的“拜金一族”的阶段,但这种新阶段不会很快就到来。

回答六:

Jack Zhao, College librarian since 2013 and lover of languages

Yes, after all, China’s streets are crawling with mobs and street gangs and they shoot people randomly just for fun. They prefer to shoot at foreigners because they are more thrilling targets.

是的,毕竟中国的街道上到处都是暴徒和街头帮派,他们为了好玩而随意射杀人们。他们更喜欢向外国人射击,因为后者是更令人兴奋的目标。

Aditya Sharma

And they’ll ask you to smile before they shoot!

他们会让你在他们射击前保持微笑!

Charlie Li

Indeed. Worring indeed when a person focused on American PC culture and probably never lived in China knows more about China than a real Chinese person.

确实。当一个人专注于美国的政治正确文化,而且可能从来没有在中国生活过,但他对中国的了解比一个真正的中国人还多时,我会很担忧的。

Taka Masuda

Yeah that’s cute but China openly admits that they pay people to post pro CCP comments it isn’t a secret it’s a known fact.

The USA and Japan don’t need to lie and manipulate public perception because:

They’re good places to live with good culture

They find it unethical to lie

They have a free media so any criticisms can be publicly aired and thus blame directed in the appropriate places and rectified

是的,这很有趣,但中国公开承认他们付钱给人们发布专业版的评论,这不是什么秘密,这是众所周知的事实。

美国和日本不需要撒谎和操纵公众的看法,因为:

他们是有良好文化的好地方

他们认为说谎是不道德的

他们拥有自由的媒体,所以任何批评都可以公开播出,因此,他们可以在恰当的地方直接提出批评,然后改正。

回答七:

Kaede Sakura Jiang, Interested about China

Yes, of course!!! All foreigners will get be shot, with no exception, by CAMERA!!!!

Wait, you meant the guns? Oh, no, sadly no, for you. They are not savage enough to do so.

Same go in Japan, South Korea, India, Singapore, and etc. all of them have very strong and strict gun laws, almost nobody have gun, except the soldiers and polices. Maybe some mafia, maybe.

是的,当然会!所有的外国人都将被相机拍下来(和枪击是一个单词),没有例外!!!

等等,你是说枪吗?哦,不,对你来说,很遗憾,没有。他们还不够野蛮,没办法这么做。

同样的,日本、韩国、印度、新加坡等国家都有非常严格的控枪法律,,除了士兵和警察几乎没有人持有枪支。也许一些黑手党也拥有枪支,也许。

回答八:

Igor Fazlyev

According to Winston Sterzel (aka serpentZA) China is generally very safe and people in general tend to be friendly.

There are foreigner hating nutcases but they are few and far between.

Plus, far as I know, the general public cannot own firearms in China so instead of shooting sprees Chinese people go on stabbing rampages. If you’re a foreigner your likelihood of getting shot on the street in China is practically zero, there is a non-zero probability that you might get stabbed, but it’s still very low.

根据温斯顿·斯特佐尔(也就是serpentZA)的说法,中国一般而言是非常安全的,人们一般而言是非常友好的。

那里有讨厌外国人疯子,但数量很少,相当少。

另外,据我所知,在中国,普通人是不能拥有枪支的,所以中国人民不会开枪射杀你,但中国人会用刀砍你。如果你是一个外国人,你在中国大街上被枪击的可能性几乎为零,你可能会被刀捅伤,但这种事情发生的几率仍然很低。

回答九:

Edmund Leung, Radio Station Program Host - Current Issues (2016-present)

Very interesting question…

Who is going to guarantee what will happen in any city at any time to whoever?

But I can tell you one thing though: You will get shot 500 times more in the US than in China in any particular day.

China has one of the toughest gun control law in the world: civilians are not allow to own gun (illegal ones excepted).

Does this answer your question?????

很有趣的问题……

谁来保证在任何一个城市的任何时刻会发生什么?

但我可以告诉你一件事:在美国,你在任何一个日子里遭遇枪击的几率都会比中国高出500倍。

中国拥有世界上最严厉的枪支管制法律之一:平民不允许拥有枪支(非法的枪支除外)。

以上能回答你的问题吗?

回答十:

Ning Zhang

Yes very possible! Look, they were shooting each other in the ranch in Xilinhot, Inner Monglia, China.

是的,很有可能!看,他们在中国内蒙古的锡林郭热农场里互相射击(拍照)。

「美国网帖」外国人会在中国大街上遭遇不安全状况吗?

回答十一:

Richard Bourne, I lived and worked in China for over 4 years for a variety of multinationals and local companies. I speak f...

It’s unlikely. Then it’s unlikely that a foreigner will get shot in Detroit, Juarez, Tegucigalpa, Pyeongyang, Sana'a, Caracas, Kabul, or Durban.

It certainly could happen.

这是不可能的。而且,一个外国人就不太可能在底特律、华雷斯、特古西加尔巴、平壤、萨那、加拉加斯、喀布尔或德班被枪杀。

当然它肯定有可能会发生。

回答十二:

Jay Zhou, studied at Wuchang Technology Institute

Impossible,in fact .china is very safty.

不可能,事实上,中国很安全。

回答十三:

Kimberly Shields, AP Psychology/Business Seconday Ed Professor at China (2013-present)

No that’s just crazy

不可能,这么想简直是疯了

回答十四:

Jiahao Fu, B.A Electrical Engineering, NanJing Tech University

Get shot?Nearly impossible,it’s hard to say when you plan to rob the bank,set bombs in the stations or drive a car into crowds.Compared to thinking about gunshots in China,it’s relatively more reasonable to worry about have something in flights,even toy guns have strict regulations

遭遇枪击?几乎是不可能的,很难说你打算什么时候抢劫银行,在车站扔炸弹,或者把车开到人群中去。与中国的枪击相比,担心飞行事故还更合理一点,在中国甚至连玩具枪也有严格的管制

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