极热区对话Penta｜十问十答

4月14日晚19:00，极热区邀请Penta(梵塔网络)CEO David Ritter于极热区块链研究所社群进行线上交流分享。视频为 David Ritter给极热区社群带来的问候：

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分享全程David和极热区欧鑫的对话以英文交流为主，以下为主要分享内容，小编也对内容配上了中文方便理解，各位enjoy:

第一问：

极热区欧鑫：Introduce yourself and your team? Where you guys based? What inspired you to start the Penta project?

介绍你的团队，你们公司在哪？是什么促使你创办Penta项目的？

David ritter:Penta is based in Singapore,but we also have offices in Shanghai, San francisco, and Melbourne.I became involved as an early investor in bitcoin, because I loved the concept of distributed ledger technology and decentralized systems.

Penta总部设在新加坡。但我们在上海、旧金山和墨尔本都有办事处。我参与到penta项目中是因为我是比特币的早期投资者，我比较认可分布式账本技术和去中心化系统的理念。

Together with my co-founder Dr. Steve Melnikoff, we founded Penta to be a blockchain that would support a high-performing DAPP platform, and also to ensure that the blockchain would remain decentralized.

所以我和我的共同创始人Dr. Steve Melnikoff一起发起了Penta区块链，Penta的目标是确保区块链保持去中心化，保持民主的方式运营，并能支持高性能的DAPP，满足商业场景需求。

Personally, I am concerned as I see a lot of existing platforms becoming more centralized. So remaining decentralized is very important to us, and part of Penta's core mission!

就我个人而言，我认为很多现有平台正变得更加中心化。因此，保持去中心化对我们来说非常重要，也是Penta的核心使命之一！

第二问：

极热区欧鑫：You call Penta "Universal blockchain connector”, why? And What is the main purpose of the "Universal blockchain connector”?

你称Penta“区块链世界的连接器”，为什么？什么是“区块链世界的连接器”的主要目的？

David ritter:The Universal Blockchain Connector represents our goal to use blockchain technology to solve real world problems.Many projects are talking about how to solve the interoperability problem of connecting different blockchains. But this doesn't solve the whole proble problem,because we all live in the real world.“区块链世界的连接器”是我们的终极目标，也是通往价值互联网的途径，我们希望通过使用区块链技术来解决现实世界中的问题。许多项目都在讨论如何解决连接链与链的互操作性问题，但这依然难以支持复杂的商业应用场景。因为我们都生活在真实的世界里。

So we also need to connect blockchains to existing networks (cloud computing systems, internet platforms, and centralized systems)and we ultimately need to connect the off-chain world to the on-chain world,So the Universal Connector concept can be represented by three kinds of connections: chain-chain, blockchain-existing networks, on-chain to off-chain.Only in this way do we believe that we can use blockchain effectively in the real world:).One of the key problems we can talk about here is TRUST.

因此，我们还需要将区块链和现有的网络（云计算系统、互联网平台和中心化系统）连接起来。我们最终需要将链下的世界和链上的世界连接起来。所以我们定义的连接器包括三种连接：链与链的连接，链与中心化系统的连接，链下与链上连接。只有这样，才可以有效地在现实世界中使用区块链。区块链解决了链上交易的信任问题，结合具体商业场景，部分中心化系统是不缺乏信任的，并且链下资产上链过程的信任也是整个方案比较中要的部分，因此信任的闭环是区块链和实体产业结合比较关键的部分。

极热区欧鑫：“connect the off-chain world to the on-chain world” is very interesting n i belive its very challenge, how do you guys do that?

将外链的世界连接到外链的世界是很有趣的，我相信它是非常有挑战性的，你们是怎么做到的呢？

David ritter:1) over time we need to digitize off-chain assets,including houses, books, jewelry, personal data, etc.

1)链下的资产上链，如房产、书籍、珠宝、个人信息等 ，可以与可信任机构的合作、多方保证或结合IOT设备进行采集与绑定；

2) we need to link digitized assets to the blockchain so that they can be protected and transferable.

2）将链下的资产数字化并上链后，通过区块链技术进行保护和价值交换。

3) we need to use blockchain technology and encryption to make sure that your data is protected and so that you can receive the benefit of your digital assets

3) 利用区块链网络与加密技术，保护个人的信息与资产，保障个人的权益并能够从数字资产中获益，结合智能合约让交易更简便更安全。

群友斯人：we need to digitize off-chain assets' how do that

“我们需要将链下资产数字化”？该怎么做？

David ritter：Great question! there are several projects right now focused on digitizing off-chain assets. This will take many years, but it has already started.

目前有几个项目专注于链下资产的数字化。我们在食品溯源的场景中已利用IOT设备采集上链，当然很多实体资产的数字化将需要很多年，包括需要完善法律进行支持，但是已经开始了，部分机构已经将私募股权等有价资产进行数字化登记与流转。

第三问：

极热区欧鑫： Could you please give us examples of Penta use cases? Whats kind of DApp would play best on your chain? Social ? E-commerce? n if there any case for connect the off-chain world to the on-chain world” yet?

你能给我们举例说明Penta使用的情况吗？什么类型的DAPP可以接入Penta？社交？电子商务？有没有任何实际案例是将“线下资产连接到线上的”？

David ritter:Use Case 1 - Blockchain Rice: we did a rice project, where we digitized data related to the logisitics process of farming rice and delivering to consumers. This data was acquired by IOT sensors and placed on a blockchain so that consumers could ensure the food security of the rice they bought. This is a real use case from the Penta development team!!

案例1-区块链水稻：这里我介绍一个案例：我们此前做过一个大米溯源的项目，我们从大米收割、加工到快递到最终用户手上，每个流程中的环节进行数字化，记录在区块链上。通过IOT设备进行采集并记录到区块链上，以此来保证消费者收到的是放心食品，这是Penta技术团队已经完成的一个真实案例。

Use Case 2 - FansTime: this blockchain platform allows fans to interact with their favorite stars. So it's a project about sharing IP and protecting IP. Fanstime has 80 million users.

案例2-FansTime：这个区块链平台在粉丝和钟爱的明星之间构建了连接，也是分享知识产权与保护知识产权的典型应用，目前FansTime有8千万用户。

As a public blockchain any kind of DAPP can be developed on Penta. We can accommodate applications written in any coding language.

Penta是一个公链，任何类型的DAPP都可以在Penta上跑。

群友Alex:hi，David, just curious about “over time we need to digitize off-chain assets”how could u guys do that for example intellectual property ？

Hi david。

只是好奇“随着时间的推移，怎样把链下的资产变成数字化的资产？你们怎么能这样做，例如知识产权？

David ritter: let me give you an example.let's say that you write a poem and put it on the blockchian. The IP for the poem will belong to you and it will have a digital signature connected with your digital address and protected by a private key,you can use Smart Contracts to determine who can read your poem, license it, and republish it. Any transaction can be recorded in the blockchain, and any time royalties need to be paid it will be done through the Smart Contract.

比如说，您写了一首诗并把它放在区块链上。则您将对该首诗歌享有知识产权，知识产权将有一个数字签名与你的数字地址相连，并由一个私钥保护。您可以使用“智能合约”来决定谁可以阅读您的诗，您也可以重新发布或者针对诗歌做出许可。任何交易都会记录在区块链中，所有需要支付的特许使用费都会通过智能合约执行。

Each of us is our own IP. And your data has value! You should be able to protect your IP and its value and receive the benefit of your IP. Right now data is not well protected, as demonstrated by the recent scandal with Facebook

我们每一个人都享有我们自己作品的知识产权，现在中心化的平台数据保护依赖于中心化的机构，管理的漏洞会导致用户的损失，看最近Facebook出现的丑闻就知道了。

极热区欧鑫：actually we discuss this before in this chatroom, even there is tracking record of the container? the bad guys still can replace the rice or baby-formula inside of it, any solution for that?

其实我们之前在这个聊天室里讨论过，哪怕有集装箱的追踪记录，大米或者婴儿配方奶粉还是有可能造假，有什么解决方法吗？

David ritter:Yes, we encountered this problem when we designed Blockchain Rice.we use RFID to make sure that there is a record of the container being opened.

是的，我们做区块链溯源项目的时候遇到过这类问题。我们使用RFID（射频识别装置：公交卡 NFC芯片是RFID的一种应用）来确保记录了每一个集装箱，该技术确保电子身份唯一且不可复制，在打开包装的之后，RFID会损坏，被扫描过的次数也都会被记录在区块链上。

极热区欧鑫：what is RFID?(什么是 RFID?)

David ritter：RFID（Radio Frequency Identification Device）：射频识别装置，这是互联网设备，公交卡 NFC芯片 是RFID的一种。

第四问：

极热区欧鑫：i read your whitepaper rapidly, Is Penta a real Blockchain if there is no POW n POS? How does the DSC consensus mechanism work? What differentiates it with POS and POW?

我快速地读了你的白皮书，如果没有POW和POS的话，PENTA是真的区块链吗？DSC共识机制是如何运作的？它与POS和POW有什么区别？

David ritter:Great. Time to talk about consensus! Every blockchain needs a consensus mechanism in order to incentivize community members to participate in the process of validating transactions that go on the blockchain.Penta uses a unique consensus algorithm that we developed called Dynamic Stake Consensus (DSC).You can think of it as a kind of POS (proof of stake), because it involves voting through staking tokens.

很好，是时候讨论共识了！每个区块链都需要有一种共识机制，以激励社区成员参与验证区块链中的交易。Penta使用了我们首创的共识算法，称为动态权益共识（DSC）。

but the problem with POS is that it favors those with the most tokens. So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This is not the outcome we want from decentralized communities!DSC seeks to strike a balance between the 3 core problems of consensus algorithms: 1) Security 2) Decentralization (fairness) 3) scalability (increased tps),in order to ensure that the staking process and incentive system is fair DSC ensures that any Penta (PNT) stakeholder can participate in the voting process.

POS的问题在于它对持有代币多的人更有利，导致富人越富，穷人越穷。我们也不希望去中心化的社区是这样的！DSC试图在共识算法的三个核心问题之间达成平衡：1）安全性；2）去中心化（公平）；3）性能与可扩展性（提升TPS）。为了确保代币质押和奖励制度是公平的，DSC保证了持有代币的所有人都能参与投票过程。与POS和DPOS不同，小额代币的持有人也可以获得代币激励。为了达成这一目的，我们Penta团队开发了一种散列抽签算法。我们随机化地选取节点组成小组进行最终区块验证。这也提高了DSC系统的安全性，也是对现有的共识算法的改良。

Unlike POS and DPOS, small stakeholders will always be part of the incentive sharing mechanism.they way we achieve this is by using a randomization algorithm. This was developed by the Penta team.through randomization we can create small groupings of voters who participate in the final block validation. This also increases the security of the DSC system, and makes improvements over existing consensus algorthms

与POS和DPOS不同，小型利益相关者将永远是激励分享机制的一部分，他们的方法是使用一个随机化算法来达到这个目的。这是由Penta团队开发的。通过随机化，我们可以创建参与最终区块验证的小群选民。这也提高了DSC系统的安全性，并改进了现有的共识算法。

极热区欧鑫：very interesting!maybe later on, some guys in our community will have different opinion though.i will leave the questions to them later.

很有趣，也许接下来我们社区里有些人会有不同的看法，我稍后将把这些问题留给他们回答。

David ritter:we welcome people to ask questions!then we can have a consensus haha

我们欢迎大家提问，那么我们就可以达成共识哈哈。

第五问：

极热区欧鑫：Comparing with other "Cross-chain" projects, what is the advantage of Penta? How dose Penta connect the real world and the blockchain realm? Could you please highlight the core value of Penta in few words?

与其他跨链相比，Penta的优势是什么？Penta是如何实现现实世界与区块链的链接？你能用几句话来指出Penta的核心价值吗？

David ritter:Penta is different from other cross-chain projects because we are building a platform that does not only operate with other blockchains, but also can be interoperable with centralized systems and the off-chain world (this is the concept of Universal Connector I discussed above)

Penta与其他跨链项目不同，因为我们正在构建的是一个网络平台，这个平台不仅可以连接其他的区块链，也可以连接中心化系统和链下的世界（这也是我在上面讨论的通用连接器的概念）。

Penta's core value is its ecosystem. We have already deployed several successful blockchain projects that are solving real world problems. Not many projects can say that! Now we are using that experience to build a public blockchain

Penta的核心价值是生态系统。我们已经做出了几个成功的区块链项目，也切实解决了实际的问题。没有多少项目敢说这个话！现在我们用我们积累的经验来搭建一条公链。

Our unique consensus algorithm, DSC, is also a core value proposition. We believe it is the most democratic, decentralized consensus mechanism for a public blockchain. This is very important to people who want to achieve a more equitable way of participating in the future economy.

我们独特的共识算法 DSC 也是一个重要的核心价值。我们认为，DSC是最民主、最去中心化的共识机制。对希望以更公平的方式参与未来经济的人来说，这一点也是至关重要的。

第六问：

极热区欧鑫：have you released your chain yet? What about fund raising, how much you guys have raised so far?

你主链上线了吗？融资呢？你们已经募集了多少资金呢？

David ritter:No, we have not released the main chain yet. We will release our test net before the end of 2018, and then release the main net early 2019.we completed a private sale for $22,000,000

不，我们还没有上线主链。我们将在2018年底前发布我们的测试网络，然后在2019年初发布主网络。我们以2200万美元完成了一轮私募融资。

these are our investment partners. We are honored to have great partners helping us!

这是我们的投资伙伴。我们很荣幸有伟大的合作伙伴帮助我们！

第七问：

极热区欧鑫：with the money you have raised, what is the action plan or roadmap for Penta in 2018?

有了这些资金，2018年Penta的行动计划或路线图是什么？

David ritter:I will send you our road map。

我将把我们的路线图发给你

群友Andrew（DAVID翻译）：以下是对差异与核心点的翻译：

Penta与其他项目差异：除了跨链技术，Penta也关注和中心化业务系统与链下资产与设备的连接。

Penta核心首先是生态，我们已经利用区块链解决实际问题，现在我们构建一个公链连接这些商业。

另外一个核心是DSC共识算法，我们更注重民主化的设计，确保参与者是公平的方式参与未来的共享经济。

第八问：

极热区欧鑫： What is your impression of the industry right now and the markets? since you are from US n based outside of china, tell us more about this industry in US n elsewhere?

你现在对这个行业和市场的印象如何？既然你来自美国，属于海外地区，请跟我们介绍一下这个行业在海外的情况？

David ritter:The big news from the US is that the SEC issued 80 letters to crypto projects, so it is taking enforcement action. The regulations from the US government is one of the reasons, I think, we saw such down market months in February and March in the crypto markets.

美国方面的重大消息是，美国证券监督管理委员会向加密货币项目发出了80封质询函，这也就是说美国证券监督管理委员会正在采取行动。我认为，美国政府的监管行动也是我们2月和3月看到加密货币市场如此低迷的原因之一。

but I believe the industry will rebound soon. Just in the last few days we have seen a bounce. There are a few reasons, I think: 1) big investment firms announced they are investing in crypto (Rockefeller Family VC, George Soros, etc), 2) the regulations in the US, China, and elsewhere are more clear now than they were before.When new liquidity comes into the crypto markets the whole crypto ecosystem benefits. I believe BTC and alt coins will have a successful year in 2018!!

但我相信这个行业很快就会复苏。就在最近几天，我们也看到了反弹。我认为有几个原因：1）大型投资机构宣布投资加密货币（洛克菲勒家族的风险投资基金、乔治·索罗斯等）；2）美国、中国和其他地方的监管规定现在比以前更加明确。新流动性进入加密货币市场会使得整个加密货币生态受益。我相信2018年比特币和其他代币都会有不错的表现。但我相信这个行业还有很大的发展空间。在互联网泡沫破裂前，互联网公司的市值大约是4.5万亿美元。数字货币市场现在的市值不过3000亿美元。

极热区欧鑫：so we should buy in now?我们应该现在买入吗？

David ritter：haha I should say I am not an investment advisor. But I believe the industry has a lot of room for growth. The dot com bubble was at around $4.5 Trillion before it burst. Crypto markets are only at $300 Billion now.

哈哈我应该说我不是一个投资顾问，但我相信这个行业还有很大的发展空间。网络公司泡沫在破裂钱大约是4.5万亿美元。密码市场现在只有3000亿美元。

第九问：

极热区欧鑫：QUESTION 9:What your advices to give to the Chinese blockchain startup entrepreneurs? 我知道你的中文很好， 能用中文送语音给中国的区块链创业者一些意见和建议吗？

David ritter:好的。我试试看。首先呢，我想表示感谢，感谢大家今天的关注。另外的话也特别感谢极热区，今天给到我这个机会跟大家分享我们Penta的项目。希望以后会有更多的交流机会。

真的就是今天在关注的那些想开发自己项目的朋友们。我先提的建议是一个比较简单的也是比较重要的建议，就是说。我希望大家在用这个区块链技术。都会考虑到解决一些实体世界或者是实体经济的问题，这是比较实在的。真正的价值不在于数字货币里面，而是在于您能够解决什么样的问题，就是技术就是一个方法。但是我们要考虑到他最后的一个效果是会解决什么样的问题。我建议是这样子的。

群友孔信之：The affirmation of the government has played an accelerating role, and on the basic, it produces social values and solves social problems.

政府肯定起了加速作用，它产生了社会价值，解决了社会问题。

David ritter:I totally agree. But like any new industry it will take time to balance government regulations with industry growth.

我完全同意。但是就像任何新的行业一样，要使政府的监督与行业的增长保持平衡也需要时间。

第十问：

极热区欧鑫：ok , last question, How do you think the BlockChain can transform the world? and what do you see Penta`s place in it?

好，最后一个问题，你认为区块链如何改变世界？你认为Penta在里面的位置是什么？

David ritter:I really believe that blockchain can change the world by 1) lowering the barrier to entry into the economy, 2) protecting the value of our data and our assets in the Smart Economy, 3) creating a fairer and more equitable economy based on community participation and consensus, 4) increasing productivity through crowdsourcing of information and resources.

我相信区块链确实可以改变世界：1）降低参与的准入门槛；2）保护我们的数据和资产在智能经济中的价值；3）在社区参与和共识的基础上创造一个更公平和更为平等的经济；4）通过信息和资源的众包提高生产率。

but we all have to work together to build these communities and ecosystems and to ensure that they are fairer than the current economic system. This outcome is not guaranteed. I hope everyone here shares my vision of a fairer economy with greater participation and sharing.

但是，我们都必须共同努力，建设这些社区和生态系统，并确保它们比目前的经济制度更加公平。不能保证一定能够达成我们的目标，但是我希望在座的各位都能分享我对更公平经济的憧憬，更多地参与并进行分享。。

群友老寇Cody：What will be the key driver in building these ecosystems？

建设这些生态系统的关键驱动力是什么？

David ritter:the key driver is building reliable and user friendly tech, and having a consensus mechanism that is inclusive so that people can participate in building the ecosystem.It's also about reaching out to partners from businesses and application developers and encouraging them to build their applications on the Penta blockchain. Building a community is the most important thing for a decentralized system!

关键的驱动力是建立可靠并且使用更为便捷的技术，并建立一个包容性的共识机制，以便人们能够积极参与生态系统的建设。这也包括与企业和应用程序开发人员建立合作伙伴关系，并鼓励他们在Penta块链上构建应用程序。建设一个社区对去中心化的系统而言是最为重要的事情！

In our case, Penta already has several industry partners, deployed projects, and strategic partners who are a key part of helping us build our ecosystem. I hope people here interested in Penta will join us too!!

就我们而言，Penta已经有不少行业伙伴、建立了一些战略伙伴关系，也落地了一些项目。我希望有兴趣的人也能加入我们！！

在分享结束时Penta还给我们空投了糖果，极热区块链社群的小伙伴们有福气了！

未来我们极热区还会邀请更多国际区块链项目团队于社群分享，敬请关注！